On Men Refusing To Grow Up

Our society has done a great job of portraying men as weak, lazy and good for nothing.
I know most of these advertisements or stories are geared to selling women, and I get that there are a few advertisements that portray a woman as nothing more than a sex object or house cleaner. I get it.

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The problem in my mind is we simply don’t discuss or that men and women are geared differently and that we have different evolutionary biology – programming that has worked for our species for hundreds of thousands of years.

Lately, I hear more and more about men not “Manning Up” or “Refusing to Grow Up”. The arguments are usually made by women and are incredibly weak.

Take Why men won’t grow up

“legions of frustrated young women” are dealing with a new crisis in America: modern men refuse to grow up.

In the past, it was assumed men would receive a high-school diploma or college degree, then get married and settle down to the responsibilities of work and family life.

One of the many side effects of the American feminist movement is that men’s traditional role as family man and provider has been eradicated. Today, men compete with women who are more educated than they and who often make more money. That women suggest they don’t need husbands to be happy – or even to have children – rubs salt in an open wound. The result is that men are stuck in a prepubescent quandary.”

I would like to point out, that what she described is the female perspective of what they feel a man should do – i.e. graduate, get married and take on work and a family life.

How about this article Why men are in trouble

“The data does not bode well for men. In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%. Women now surpass men in college degrees by almost three to two. Women’s earnings grew 44% in real dollars from 1970 to 2007, compared with 6% growth for men.

In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded. Men still maintain a majority of the highest paid and most powerful occupations, but women are catching them and will soon be passing them if this trend continues.

The warning signs for men stretch far beyond their wallets. Men are more distant from a family or their children then they have ever been. The out-of-wedlock birthrate is more than 40% in America. In 1960, only 11% of children in the U.S. lived apart from their fathers. In 2010, that share had risen to 27%. Men are also less religious than ever before. According to Gallup polling, 39% of men reported attending church regularly in 2010, compared to 47% of women.”

Let’s look at a few of these:

“Women now surpass men in college degrees by almost three to two.” – Probably true. I could take some cheap shots at the types of degrees they are getting. But let’s see what the facts are.

FOR WOMEN

No. 1: Business
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 164,276
Women in the major: 49% of total
Men in the major: 51% of total
Potential career paths: management, sales, consulting, finance

No. 2: Health Professions and Related Clinical Sciences
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 94,192
Women in the major: 85.4% of total
Men in the major: 14.6% of total
Potential career paths: nursing, physical therapy

No. 3: Social Sciences and History
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 82,495
Women in the major: 49.3% of total
Men in the major: 50.7% of total
Potential career paths: teaching, sales, research

No. 4: Education
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 80,754
Women in the major: 78.7% of total
Men in the major: 21.3% of total
Potential career paths: elementary teaching, secondary teaching

No. 5: Psychology
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 71,385
Women in the major: 77.1% of total
Men in the major: 22.9% of total
Potential career paths: counseling, teaching, sales

No. 6: Visual and Performing Arts
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 53,841
Women in the major: 61.4% of total
Men in the major: 38.6% of total
Potential career paths: teaching; design and graphic arts; performance and entertainment

No. 7: Communication and Communication Technologies
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 50,664
Women in the major: 62.5% of total
Men in the major: 37.5% of total
Potential career paths: sales, public relations, management

No. 8: Biological and Biomedical Sciences
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 46,217
Women in the major: 59.4% of total
Men in the major: 40.6% of total
Potential career paths: research, teaching, medical technology

No. 9: English Language and Literature/Letters
Degrees awarded to women in 2008: 37,357
Women in the major: 67.9% of total
Men in the major: 32.1% of total
Potential career paths: teaching; writing and editing; sales; management

FOR MEN

No. 1: Business
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 170,978
Men in the major: 51% of total
Women in the major: 49% of total
Potential career paths: management, sales, consulting, finance

No. 2: Social Sciences and History
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 84,868
Men in the major: 50.7% of total
Women in the major: 49.3% of total
Potential career paths: teaching, sales, research

No. 3: Engineering and Engineering Technologies
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 69,724
Men in the major: 83.2% of total
Women in the major: 16.8% of total
Potential career paths: civil, chemical, computer and biomedical engineering

No. 4: Visual and Performing Arts
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 33,862
Men in the major: 38.6% of total
Women in the major: 61.4% of total
Potential career paths: teaching; design and graphic arts; performance and entertainment

No. 5: Computer and Information Sciences and Support Services
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 31,694
Men in the major: 82.4% of total
Women in the major: 17.6% of total
Potential career paths: computer programming, technical support, systems management

No. 6: Biological and Biomedical Sciences
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 31,637
Men in the major: 40.6% of total
Women in the major: 59.4% of total
Potential career paths: Research, teaching, medical technology

No. 7: Communication and Communication Technologies
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 30,384
Men in the major: 37.5% of total
Women in the major: 62.5% of total
Potential career paths: Sales, public relations, management

No. 8: Education
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 21,828
Men in the major: 21.3% of total
Women in the major: 78.7% of total
Potential career paths: elementary teaching, secondary teaching

No. 9: Psychology
Degrees awarded to men in 2008: 21,202
Men in the major: 22.9% of total
Women in the major: 77.1% of total
Potential career paths: counseling, teaching, sales

I know the article says Top 10 – but only 9 were listed. From that we have:

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I then looked up the average salary for each major.

http://work.chron.com

http://www.studentsreview.com/salary_by_major.php3

http://www.salarysite.com/

http://www.naceweb.org/s09042013/salary-survey-average-starting-class-2013.aspx

The overall average starting salary for Class of 2013 new college graduates currently stands at $45,327, an increase of 2.4 percent over the reported average of $44,259 for Class of 2012 graduates, according to the September 2013 Salary Survey.

My calculation does come out with a 43% of graduates being men, and 57% being women which is very close to what was reported above.

I also found that a man will, on average, earn $5,281 more than a female graduate. The reason for this is a man’s typical choice of degrees vs. a woman’s. Neither Engineering or Computer Science were in the females top 9 degrees.

The next time a feminist complains that a man makes more, tell her to go get a harder degree and better career.

Next we have the employment issue:

“In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded. Men still maintain a majority of the highest paid and most powerful occupations, but women are catching them and will soon be passing them if this trend continues.”

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Many of the traditional jobs of men (manufacturing for example) have moved off shores. In addition, our economy sucks.

For a very long time it was assumed that a man would establish himself then start a family. Typically, the man was the breadwinner and was older than the woman. He played a masculine role and she played a feminine role. A lack of options for easy access to women helped ensure he married one he thought would stay. The woman typically had a lack of options to financial resources, so she tried to marry one guy that would provide. That is your nuclear family.

With the interest of “being fair” women wanted more access to financial resources, hence the beginning of the feminist movement. It seems to me they wanted to succeed like men. I am not a woman, and I don’t know for sure, but it also seems they wanted more freedom and less responsibility – i.e. slut walks, easy sex, more working women with more benefits, etc.
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As women took these changes and ran with them, a few things happened to men. The ideology that a man must establish his career (generate wealth) to land a woman of his desires to have sex with is no longer true. Just having financial resources does not guarantee or even give a high probability of a (lasting) relationship.

A power struggle had occurred as women generate their own resources and made sex easier for some men. As the internet lets people and ideals spread fast, men are learning they don’t need resources to land hot women – hence the explosion of game, and in my view why men are not pushing as hard to meet the female ideal of “growing up”.

Men Should Not Be Defined By A Female Perspective

The typical programming of a woman is to land a high value man to start a child with – hence the one egg per month biology.

The typical programming of a man is to sleep with as many attractive women as possible – hence the million sperm per shot biology.

The issue is that of women thinking that the man should have their biological programming – settle down and have a family. Men have settled into that role when the relationship seemed “fair”.

I say “fair” not as in both parties make the same money or work the same hours, but both parties brought an equal amount of skill/resources into the family.

The woman would typically run the house and raise the kids in return for the man’s provision.

The man would typically supply financial provision in return for easy access to sex.

The glue was the difficulty in a woman gaining financial provision and the difficulty in a man having easy access to sex.

But with the change in our culture and the movement of feminism, that glue isn’t sticky anymore. By learning certain skills, men have very easy access to sex, without having to marry, settle down or share his assets.

In addition, the no fault divorce laws and biased court systems have made “marriage” a high risk, low reward proposition for men. Now, a woman can marry you for a single day, and leave with half your stuff.

Never Let Them Shame You

Men, when a woman (or even another man) is telling you that you should “grow up, settle down, man up, start a family, buy your own house, etc.” they are trying to shame you into a role that our society was built on, but no longer has any benefit for men.

A man in a marriage in today’s society is helping the government and his spouse continue with the entitlements they have grown accustomed too.

You don’t need a high paying job, if you don’t want one.

You don’t need marriage, or even a relationship to have easy access to sex.

You don’t need a large house or a ton of shit to be happy.

I encourage you to do what YOU want – whatever that is.

7 Thoughts on “On Men Refusing To Grow Up

  1. Rashawn on October 24, 2013 at 4:49 pm said:

    Well I agree with one part that you don’t need marriage or a relationship to have easy access to sex. Sex is not about dominance, it is based on whose need is based purely on emotions.

  2. Men are realizing marriage is a raw deal….
    LIFETIME ALIMONY
    CHILD SUPPORT
    MATERNAL PRESUMTPION
    NO FAULT DIVORCE
    50 PERCENT OF MARRIAGES ENDING IN DIVORCE
    WITH WOMEN INITIATING SOMEHWERE BETWEEN 70 TO 80 PERCENT OF THOSE DIVORCES
    WE SEE OUR MALE FRIENDS BANKRUPTED,DIVORCED,BEGGING TO SEE THEIR OWN CHILDREN AND IN SOME CASES PAYING CHILD SUPPORT AND LOOSING THEIR HOMES LEGALLY TO WOMEN WHO EVEN CHEATED.

    IF MANNING UP MEANS PLAYING THE LITERAL LOTTERY AND GAMBLE WITH WHAT WOMEN HAVE BECOME……WITH WOMEN OWNING ALL THE LAWS AND THE CRIMINAL COURTS AS MOST MEN WILL SHRIVEL FROM THE SOUND OF A WOMAN WHO KNOWS THAT EVEN IN A FALSE ABUSE ALLEGATION THE COPS WILL SIDE WITHER HER…..

    THERE IS NO WINNING WITH THIS WESTERN WOMEN….YOU HAVE TO BE AN IDIOT TO MARRY OR HAVE A CHILD IN A SYSTEM THAT SO OPENLY ENSLAVES MEN TO UNNAPPRECIATIVE WOMEN AND CHILDREN…..

    I AM NOT A WOMANS SLAVE,THATS EXACTLY WHAT MANNING UP IS…BEING SUBSERVIANT AND WORKING AND DYING FOR AN UNNAPPRECIATIVE WESTERN WOMAN WHO MOST LIKELY IS TO DIVORCE AND BANKRUPT YOU AND THROUGH THE LAWS MAKE YOU HER LITERAL SLAVE AND PAYCHECK…

    NO THANKS,I AM A SISSY BOY,I CANT GET LAID,I AM JUST A CHILD WHO WILL HOLD ONTO MY HOME,MY CAR AND MY SANITY TO AND CHOOSE NOT TO DEAL AT ALL WITH THIS WESTERN WOMAN FOR MY VERY SANITY AS MGTOW MEN WATCH THE MEN THEY KNOW FALL TO DIVORCE,LIFETIME ALIMONY,CHILD SUPPORT,MATERNAL PRESUMPTION ETC…ETC…

    LADIES TODAY ARE FULL OFTHEMSELVES,MANY UNNATTRACTIVE AND DONT EVEN LOOK OR ACT LIKE WOMEN…WHY BOTHER???

    GO YOUR OWN WAY MEN,PRACTICE CELIBACY AND KEEP YOUR FREEDOM…

    WE ARE MEN WHO SIMPLY REALIZE THE WESTERN MODEL OF WOMEN AND LAWS,IS JUST LITERAL SLAVERY…

    NO THANKS!!!

    PUT YOUR NUTS ON ICE,BUY A DOG AND GUARD YOUR SPERM AS A FEW MINUTES OF PLEASURE CAN COST ATLEAST 18 YEARS OF FINANCIAL PAIN IN CHILD SUPPORT!!

    BETWEEN THE DIVORCE AND CRIMINAL LAWS WOMEN OWN,WOMENS MEN LIKE ATTITUDES,THEIR EGOS,SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT AND MANY NOT EVEN APPEARING OR ACTING FEMININE….I SAY ITS A PERFECT STORM OF MEN AVOIDING MARRIAGE,WOMEN,CHILDREN AND DATING FOR GOOD REASON BECAUSE WHAT KIND OF GOOD MAN OR WOMAN CAN STAND THE EGO OF THE AVERAGE WESTERN WOMAN???

    THE WORD IS FINALLY GETTING OUT IN WESTERN NATIONS AND MEN ARE FED UP!MARRAIGE AND CHILDREN ARE A RAW DEAL FOR MEN IN WESTERN COUNTRIES TODAY……

    WOMEN ARE FINDING IT HARDER AND HARDER TO FIND GOOD MEN WHO ARE WILLING TO MARRY….PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE MEN ARE FINALLY TALKING ABOUT THINGS MENTIONED IN THIS POST AND WE ARE REALIZING THE WHOLE GAME IS STACKED…

    WITH THE VALUE OF THE AVERAGE WOMAN EVEN PLACING A DELUSIONAL PRINCESS VALUE ON HERSELF….WHO EVEN CARES ABOUT HAVING A CHILD OR MARRYING THIS WESTERN WOMAN??? LOLOLOL

    ANYTIME I GET A GIRL FLIRTING WITH ME,I GO HOME TO MY HOT ROD,MY DOG,A WARM CUP OF COFFEE,A STEAK,A COMPUTER,TO MOVIES,VIDEO GAMES AND LAUGH IN THE FACE OF THE MEN WHO HATE ME WHO HAVE BEEN DESTROYED IN MARRIAGE AND FAMILY COURTS WHO LOST IT ALL….

    FURTHER MORE,I THINK MEN AS OURSELVES SHOULD OPEN OUR HOMES UP TO MEN WHO ARE STARTING OVER WHO HAVE BEEN DEIVSTATED IN DIVORCES…

    WESTERN WOMEN HAVE DESTROYED THEMSELVES,OUR ONLY OPTION IS TO RUN!!!

    • Boy oh boy,I could not agree with you more. I am a middle aged very responsible career man,never married,never will be,no kids(thank God) I see way too many of my married friends,miserable because they allow themselves to be led around by their testicles. In family/divorce a man cannot get a serious break,or custody,if he can’t prove the woman is anything short of an axe murderer. One point you forgot to mention,my friend,(actually two) Women today,always claim that they do not need a man to “take care’ of them,but the first thing they look at isnot the content of his character,but the size of his bank account,and how much of it they think he can spend ON THEM! Also this. Ever notice how all the things a woman found cute,endearing,funny,or quirky in you when you were just dating,suddenly become unacceptable to them if the relationship starts getting intense? First thing they want to do is make you over into THEIR image of what you SHOULD be. Then there are the mixed messages. “talk to me,talk to me” they say. But there is hell to pay if you say anything they don’t want to hear. “Men are insensitive” I know you have heard that one. What they really mean is sensitive to THEM and THEM only,nobody else,not even to yourself. If a man does not show sensitivity or emotion he is a dog. If he does he is a wimp.

      • Jeff Krasney on October 30, 2014 at 5:52 am said:

        I don’t know how you can live without the love of a woman. I grant you that they are all infuriating, and some of them are evil. However, good women are incredibly good and the bad ones are even better.

        I find the biggest problem with women are the men who go around trying to be the advocate for women. They are always trying to score cheap and easy points by trashing their fellow man. Some of them are like Bill Clinton who uses this as a scheme to get in their pants and their votes, and some of them are like Pajama Boy and are just so emasculated that they cannot envision being a man.

        The great thing about being middle aged is that women of your age usually can no longer get pregnant. This makes them way more willing to go to bed. You should get back in the game. I guarantee you will be really happy that you did.

  3. Peter on May 27, 2014 at 10:13 pm said:

    When someone is daring you…. go ahead,be a man!

    They are simply trying to sucker you into doing something stupid.

    Don’t take the bait.

  4. dave bowen on October 26, 2014 at 5:27 pm said:

    I love this. We wont even discuss how women use sex as a weapon to get their way. Deny them the hold back. Be a good boy,and you get a reward. Have yet to meet a woman who is worth that. I have been sex free for four years now because I refuse to play their stupid games and humiliate myself.

    • Jeff Krasney on October 30, 2014 at 5:42 am said:

      Ouch. Living without sex with a woman is like living on bread and water. It is possible to live that way but something very important is missing. I encourage you to find a nice woman to have sex with, and not allow the bitterness of the past to cause you to miss one of the great joys in life.

      I have certainly experienced my worst humiliations and have been humiliated more times regarding my attempts to get sex than anything else I have done. However, I have experienced some success on that front and am willing to put up with a lot in order to be with a loving woman. At least 90% of my adulthood joyful moments involve touching a naked woman. I intend to touch as many of them as I can before I die.

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